Question About Butterscotch Jasmine

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How are you! I was told Jasmines like acid soil. But there are no lime free conditions with me, my ph is 7. Underground water used for watering in summer is lime rich, too, and rises up in winter. Another issue with ph neutral potting mix is it dries out much faster than my black clay soil. If I buy your Carolina Jasmine and add rhododendron/azalea fertilizer around it, do you think it could grow with me??? Thank you. Nik


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Answer #1 · Maple Tree's Answer · Hi Nik-The Butterscotch Jasmine will grow well in soils with a neutral pH of 7. The soils in my gardens range from slightly acidic 6.5 to more alkaline 7.5 and all these jasmines I have grown do very well. They do like a well draining soil which can be a problem with clay soils that hold too much moisture. Too wet a soil can cause root rot and fungal diseases. As long as the soil is amended with organic material such as compost or composted manure to help with drainage you should be fine. The organic material or manure will also help to make the soil more acidic. Many of my plants such as camelias and azaleas do well in my soil mixing in compost each year and using fertilizers formulated for acid loving plants. Knowing your soils pH factor makes me believe you have had a soils test done. It is always nice to have a soil test done as this not only tells you the pH factor but will note any nutrient deficiencies such as potassium or magnesium. Too high a pH can cause these deficiences which would be more concerning to me than a neutral pH of 7. Most plant files for the Butterscotch and Carolina jasmines note the plants will survive well in soils with a pH factor of 6 to 8.5. I grow a lot of the Asian jasmine as groundcover on my hillsides that supposedly likes a more acidic soil pH of 5.5 to 7 and grows extremely well in my soil with a higher pH of 7.

http://www.gardenality.com/Articles/936/How-To-Info/Planting/How-To-Plant-A-Shrub-In-Clay-Soil/default.html

You mentioned using potting mixes. If you are planting in pots I would always use a quality potting soil purchased at a quality nursery or garden center, not the box stores. Quality potting soils will drain well at the same time hold the moisture needed for healthy plant growth. No matter what potting soil you use potted plants will always dry out much more quickly than if planted in the ground especially when located in the direct sunlight. There are many quality potting soils available. For acid loving plants you can find quality potting mixes formulated for acid loving plants.

Hopefully this has helped. Please ask if you have any other questions.

John)



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Answer #2 · nothingfail's Answer · John, many thanks for the detailed explanation. So, I understand that a mixture of my black clay soil and potting (planting) soil, and organic material is best for planting Carolina Jasmines in the ground, right!!! The plants dry out too fast planted in the ground with potting soil mainly and little of the local black clay soil, even with water absorbing polymers and other water retaining materials, and rootgrow (fungi). The inconvenience comes from this that my summers are too dry (usually 3 months no rain) and winters can be quite wet. And it is possible in the future there might be noone at the location to water. So I am trying to foresee and take care of all possibilities. And I am in Bulgaria. This type of Carolina Jasmine is not found in Europe. Do you have a way of sending it to Bulgaria which will have to be with a phyto certificate!? Could you provide one more in a small size for a friend in Ukraine, which is not in the EU and I will have to carry it in the luggage!? If you do not want to bother with this, I am still interested with a delivery to US address - I am to be looking for someone to bring it here but then I will need 2 smaller plants instead of 1 big and one smaller. Also, most important, I am insisting on getting this type of Carolina Jasmine as I read online it repeats flowering in the Autumn - could you confirm that!? Once gain, many thanks for the cooperation. Regards! Nik)


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Maple Tree

Maple Tree · Gardenality Genius · Zone 10A · 30° to 35° F
Nik-Heavy clay soils when wet hold water as they tend not to drain well. Amending them with organic matter will help with drainage and still hold the moisture needed for good plant growth. The qickest killer of the jasmine is too much water around the roots. This is why it is important to make sure your soil is well draining if you receive a lot of rain at times during the cooler months. Located in a very warm climate here in the U.S. with years of drought conditions I have found most of the jasmines you would like to have very drought tolerant once established. Clay soils can not only hold too much moisture but when dry are very hard to moisten without periods of slow deep watering or the use of wetting agents allowing the soil to absorb water again. Mixing in 50% organic matter to 50% native soil I'm thinking should work fine for your jasmines. More than 3 months without any rain is not uncommon in my location. Because of this supplimental watering of the jasmine ever week or two is all that is needed once the plants are established. Not knowledgable of Bulgaia's soil and climate I did a little research as far as what would be comparable plant hardiness zones as we use here in the states. Most of Bulgaria looks as though most locations would fall between zone 7a-9b which is fine for growing the Carolina jasmines and others. There are small locations where your winters can drop to 20.6 celsius which which could cause some winter damage. This would be in zone 6. You can look up your locations hardiness zone or let me know your city and I can look it up. http://www.plantmaps.com/interactive-bulgaria-plant-hardiness-zone-map-celsius.php
I woud not be of much help in knowing what plants or even if any plants such as these jasmines could be shipped into Bulgaria. I'm sure Bulgaria like many countries will require special permits allowing plants to be brought in. I believe you would have to contact your Ministry of Agriculture to see what would be required. I'm thinking some sort of health certificates would be needed which may not be something easily obtained for growers in other countries. I can think of 2 problems when trying to ship plants long distances. One, the cost of shipping may possible be prohibitive for most which could be much more than the cost of the plant itself. The other problem is the time it may take to for the plant to travel from packaging to delivery. It could be very harmful to many plants without enough light, air circulation, and moisture for long periods of time. Shipping with in the continental U.S. would most likely not be a problem but again I don't know the particulars bringing the plants through your customs authorities. The Gardenality plant files indicate Wilson Bros. Gardens carry the jasmine. You might contact them for information on shipping to a U.S. address (wilsonbrosgardens.com).
I have never had the Carolina Jasmine bloom in the fall. For most it will normally bloom in late winter and spring. There is a Swamp Jasmine that will bloom in the spring and fall and is very similar in growith and flower characteristics (Gelsmium rankinii) but this plant may require more supplimental watering in the hotter months than you may be able to give it. Please let me know if you have any other questions. John

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nothingfail

nothingfail · Gardenality Seed · Zone 7B · 5° to 10° F
This link says the Butterscoth Carolina Jasmine blooms again in the Autumn - https://www.clemson.edu/extension/hgic/plants/landscape/groundcovers/hgic1103.html . That and that it is supposedly fragrant and drought resistant, unlike the Swamp one, is what makes it most wanted for me. I looked at the hardiness zone map you gave. I have been looking at an old hardiness map of Europe, seems climate is warming. I am north of the Turkish towns Edirne and Kirklareli in South East Bulgaria near Turkey in what is gibenin yellow as 8a bordering 8b. During the last 10 yaers we have not had teperatures below minus 13C and that for a few hours at night for a couple of days one or two times a winter but back in the 90s I recall temperature dropped to minus 17C (0F) and one time even to minus 23C but those are exceptions. To be on the save side, I say I am in 7b. As I am new to this site I did not realize you are not the one selling the plants. If they are small in size but well rooted and transported in winter, they could be brought into the EU easily being small and light and unnoticed - EU customs do not check all baggage!!! Could you help me find more places that sell the Butterscotch in the USA so I have more chances finding ones in small sizes!? Though, if it is not sure they rebloom in Autumn, then I do not really need one, as I already have a type of Carolina Jasmine. Thank you for your time and attention. as we say in Bulgaria May your benevolence come back to you! Nik

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Maple Tree

Maple Tree · Gardenality Genius · Zone 10A · 30° to 35° F
Nik-The two Carolina jasmines I grew at my last home only bloomed in late winter and spring. Not sure of the cultivar I was growing but evidently was not the 'Butterscotch' cultivar. I also found other extension service information and plant files that do say this cultivar repeats their blooming in the fall. Possibly temperatures can affect the amount of blooming but I'm not sure. The carolina jasmine does bloom in the cooler months. In my location (the middle of October) we are still having temperatures in the 90s which may set any fall blooming back a ways. Again, not really sure. The Carolina Jasmines are drought tolerant and do have a sweet scented flower. There are several online nurseries you could order this plant from. I have heard a huge amount of horror stories from member when ordering from several of these. The only online stores I have used personally are http://wilsonbrosnursery.com/ and now https://www.gardenerdirect.com/buy-plants-online/237/Vines-Flowering/Butterscotch-Jasmine-Vine-Gelsemium-sempervirens-Butterscotch. I have had good experiences with these stores and have always received quality products with fast shipping times.

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